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Tuesday, August 18, 2009

Some answers

I recently received a thought-provoking comment from a reader and it raised some interesting questions. I don't pay any attention to argumentative comments, but I can understand when someone has honest concerns about such a different lifestyle as many of us live. It is important to have an answer for honest enquiries--"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

She writes:
I am concerned by the amount of homsechooling Christian women who are downplaying college now (and many are personal friends or acquaintances). College isn't so much about a life choice, but a needed separation from the parent.
Even though I am a stay-at-home Mom/freelance writer, who is glad to have her children in a Christian school where they can learn to negotiate with other authority figures and peers, I still value my liberal arts education.


College is a recent cultural invention (only since the mid 1800's), and has very little to do with education, at least as it is understood in its true form. Of course, we all know that certain vocations need a degree of some sort, but for the rest of us the type of "liberal" education one receives can be obtained by anyone who is self-motivated to learn. I love the line in Good Will Hunting (beware--that movie is full of expletives) where it is pointed out to a Harvard student he paid thousands of dollars to receive an education that could've been obtained at the cost of a little over a dollar in library fines.

Seriously, if we want to discover things, we just have to look, read, investigate and observe, especially in this "information age". Why do I need to pay tuition and waste hours upon hours learning things I am not interested in and will never use, besides being indoctrinated in rubbish? Then there is the pressure after college to use the degree--especially since I have paid so much for it and might owe in loans I took out to obtain it. Paying back those loans might keep me from being able to stay home with my children in the future--does anyone point this out to young ladies?

Women have always educated themselves in one way or another, long before feeling as though it was their obligation to feel sorry for themselves and fight for their "rights". Stay at home women, whether wives or mothers, have much more time for self-education and improvement--I am just one such example among many!
So many children I know who are homeschooled are quiet and meek and their mother generally does all of the talking for them. I don't think their mothers are even aware of this phenomenon but I have seen it again and again -- even with families with whom we are more familiar and see more often.

Our children are good little people with boundaries but they also have their own ideas. I want to encourage this in their path and if college, or cooking school or truck driving school or farming is in their future, I want to encourage them to be the best person they can be by not limiting their options.

Homeschooling mothers have a tremendous amount of power in ways that I don't think is always beneficial to the child. I also truly question the level of education of many of these children, especially in large families like yours.


It must be understood that all children are influenced to a great extent, it is just a question of who is doing the influencing. It is interesting that the dear reader making this comment takes exception to homeschooling mothers having influence over their own children, but is absolutely in favor of school officials and peers having influence over children, all of whom are strangers and may or may not share in the value of the parents or have the love or care to make them qualified instructors. Believe it or not, public schooled children do not always have their "own ideas", but tend to parrot those of their classmates.

Of course there is good homeschooling instruction and not so good, but public schooling, by definition, is bad. Public education emphasizes knowledge, which puffs up, which is useless in terms of eternity, and especially usefulness by God here on this earth. Even if a child is raised by dullards, he will at least be free from the idea that there is some group of expert authorities out there who know everything and will tell us all how to think and live apart from God and His timeless Word. Wisdom is far superior than knowledge, and the fear of God and appreciation of His family structure is the beginning, middle and end of a true education.

I know one family of eight and their home is constant chaos with no organized way of schooling. I know we are always learning, every one of us, for our entire lives. But children also need structure to grow and learn the basics...and sometimes Momma isn't the one to provide that.


And just how does this reader know that the family of 8 is in constant chaos? Has she lived with them for a number of years? Does she have first-hand experience of how large families work? What qualifies her as a critic of their education--has she done extensive research into what a truly good education looks like, or does she rely on her own experience, impressions and opinions? These are questions that one could ask any person who questions a large family in their homeschooling endeavors.
Just some thoughts as I try to grasp this large-family phenomenon which I'm seeing where we live now in greater numbers. Is it because birth control is considered a bad thing? Seriously, our population has doubled since 1950 in this country alone.

I do believe that "go forth and multiply" was intended for ancient times and with higher death and infant mortality rates when we were in much greater need to populate the Earth.

I know this dear lady is not alone in being brainwashed into having these opinions. Many of us have been as well. First of all, I believe God is in control, and He has never rescended His command to multiply--and He knows how much the earth can handle. Secondly, this opinion is based on misinformation--just check on this link, and you can find a host of others by Googling "overpopulation myth".

Thank you for listening. All of this said I have a lot of respect for what you are doing but HOW are you able to cope? I have two children and can't seem to get enough done in a given day...and they aren't being homeschooled, either.

Best wishes,

Puzzled mother of three


How do I cope? It is impossible to help you completely understand, just as it would be impossible to help a young person who has never been married to understand marriage, or for someone childless to fully understand being a parent.

It isn't as overwhelming as you might think, if you accept the fact you need Jesus, and the power of His Holy Spirit in every moment of the day. The Gospel is like that; full of paradoxes such as in giving you receive, pardoning you are pardoned, and in dying you live. Being a mother, a good mother, of so many children is just a fleshing out of the Gospel. You die to yourself, and then you receive so much. You give up your needs for a relaxed, pastoral life, and you receive joy and rest and all sorts of other happy things like togetherness and play and sing-alongs.

Sure, there is a lot of work, but there is also a lot of help, if the children are trained right. I recently had the privilege of speaking at length with the second in the line of 16 children, now 60 years old. He had a great childhood and enjoyed expounding to me and my husband and children just what a great life it truly was. He emphasized how everyone worked hard in his family, and how times were often lean, but how those lean times strengthened their ties and gave them lessons for living. "It's a wonderful life!" he remarked as we parted.

And it is. It's just a unique life, but not a horribly hard one, unless one is prone already to self-centered ingratitude--then any situation is unbearable. I have these tendencies, too, but the wonderful power of God through Jesus makes it possible for me to be selfless and grateful.

This shows itself in the practical as well--in clean laundry and bathrooms and 3 square meals a day. It shows in math books and learning about how the West was won. It shows in well-behaved children when we go out to shop or eat. It shows when Daddy and I still love to hug and share our deepest dreams and desires with each other in the middle of the night and enjoy the snoring, sleeping children we hear down the hallway.

It's not just coping, it's flourishing.

If one is able to have only 3, it is blessed, even through all of the work and sacrifice, but if God so chooses to give someone 15, then the work may be multiplied, but the blessings are greatly multiplied as well.

30 comments »:

  1. I thought this was a little funny...

    "Thank you for listening. All of this said I have a lot of respect for what you are doing but HOW are you able to cope? I have two children and can't seem to get enough done in a given day...and they aren't being homeschooled, either.

    Best wishes,

    Puzzled mother of three"

    Poor dear really must be frazzled - she's not even sure how many kids she has. :) In all seriousness, though, wonderful responses, and I applaud you for taking the time to answer all those questions and share with us. It's great encouragement for people like me, with a second baby on the way and hoping to take in babysitting for a few more after the birth, God willing

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  2. I truly enjoyed and wholeheartedly agree with your comments on all the above! I love reading your blog and seeing that the lifestyle we have chosen in our family as well of a Christian, homeschooling, quiverfull life is unashamedly promoted. Many people today feel the need to sugar coat their comments or simply remain silent in an effort not to offend anyone in the world. That is simply not realistic, honest, or helpful! Speak the truth in love.

    Thank you again for a wonderful blog to read.

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  3. Wow! I just discovered your blog today and LOVED this post. You did an amazing job of answering those comments. I agree with everything you've said. And thanks for reminding me that it's okay to have a rumpled, yet comfy, house!

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  4. Well said! People always ask, "how do you do it?" (I only have 7.) All I know is that without Christ, I can't do it at all!

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  5. I also appreciated you answering this women's questions. I wish you had addressed the dangers of birth control and the lies we are told about it in this culture.

    It is so sad how many women are caught up in what this culture has defined a successful or fulfilled life of a women.

    I mourn for those women. I thank you for dispelling the myths.

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  6. I appreciate the way you went question by question when answering her.

    I am in agreement with you. I am a homeschooling mother of 6. My children are bright, articulate and speak well. I don't speak "for" them. Why is it that it is only acceptable for our children to be influenced and taught by others. If the mother does it - it doesn't count, or is somehow suspect.

    I trust that you have given this puzzled mother some truths to think about and consider.

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  7. So glad to have you back! I pray that your family is all well and healthy.
    Once again your words are "spot-on". Thank you for this. It seems to me that most people in this line of thinking (not necessarily this particular lady, but most I have encountered), say such things for arguments' sake and don't really care what you have to say. It confuses and saddens me, because it really does all boil down to selfishness. I know when my husband and I were struggling with our conviction to "let" God be in charge of the womb, (it sounds so strange to say "let" because He is ultimately in control no matter what. The issue is with us and how tightly we want to hold on to things. Our grips don't lessen God's sovereignty!) any arguments we had against it all boiled down to selfishness. We of course now fully embrace these awesome blessings and are thankful to Him that He loves us enough to entrust us with these precious souls!

    God bless you and your beautiful family!

    Jessica

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  8. I always enjoy your posts. It is truly sad how the "church" has embraced the world that we are called to be separate from. (Jas 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.) The fruit of one's life is evidence of their spiritual state. As true Christians we need to be zealous for God's Word and Truth, and let that dictate how we live our lives.(1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.)

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  9. I agree with the first commentor. I noticed right away the number or kids the lady has was different. Funny!!!

    I wish I could have read this comment a while back when I was trying to decide to homeschool. It would have been very encouraging. I applaud you for taking the time to answer and ELOQUENTLY take a stand for your choices. I personally think it is quite rude for someone to visit your blog and leave such a comment. It is like having a guest over to your home and that person telling you all the things they think are wrong with you... just plain rude! I LOVED THIS POST AND THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR THOUGHTS!

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  10. awesome post!

    I was homeschooled and when I went to college (thankfully only 3 real classes, the rest online before I realized my mistake) I thought it was such a waste of time! I'm so glad I never finished... but I've learned 10x more on my own!

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  11. I liked your post, but I do find myself cringing when I read statements like this... (And there were similar ones in the comments.)

    "I know this dear lady is not alone in being brainwashed into having these opinions."

    In my opinion, that is not a gracious way to state your views. We don't need to ridicule others, just as we don't wish for them to ridicule us. Sweetness, ladies, sweetness!

    I am a mother of 10, including a married daughter, all the way down to a preschooler. I have been home schooling for nearly 20 years, and mentoring others in that lifestyle for nearly as long, especially through my e-magazine and blog. My children are all bright and unique individuals. They have survived "chaotic house" home schooling thus far -- and it IS chaotic in a lot of families like mine. I won't pretend it isn't.

    In the last 25 years of observing the large family home school movement, I have seen plenty of families who aren't doing well with it. I'm not saying they should abandon it, but some really do need to step it up and not give up on academics just because it is "knowledge." This isn't either/or. We don't have to pit character against academics. As my friend Katrina was saying the other day, it is through excellent effort in academics that character can be demonstrated in a home school setting. That goes for the moms, too, putting the effort into it.

    Our family's solution has been to participate in academic home school co-ops for the past several years. It has been such a blessing not only for my own children to have the extra structure and accountability, but as a way to equip the younger moms in our group.

    A friend who has home schooled her children for the past several years wrote this to me yesterday:

    "I cannot thank you enough for your example of not only homeschooling, but of godliness and love. You never PUSHED
    homeschool on me or told me how awful it is to send your kid to public school or anything like that. Your children have
    flourished in both the collegiate and business worlds as well as in their social endeavours. You did what you believed God would have you do and did not push those beliefs onto others. I thank you for that. My children and I have been blessed by the years I was able to teach them and have them home 100% of the time.
    Starting my final year of homeschooling , that is why I wanted to say thank you to you for helping travel down this glorious
    road."

    May God bless all of you richly as you seek to honor him alone with a humble, winsome example.

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  12. I think that the comment on how parents speak for homeschooling children is way off. I don't think parents speak for the kids - they speak for themselves when spoken to - however they are far less likely to interrupt adults who are talking, even about them. If you say "How is your daughter", she is less likely to say "I am fine" and to look up at her mother, who was spoken to for the answer.
    I love reading your blog! I love the insight into a large family. I was blessed with three little ones. At the moment, it looks like we will stay the size we are, however I would love to be a larger family :) My daughter (I have one girl and two boys) asks me why if J has a brother does she not have a sister! So cute. anyway, just wanted to comment on the "parent speaking for the child" comment, that one gets me!
    Shellie

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  13. I didn't get a chance to read all of the article but I whole heartedly believe how you resoponded immediately following the article was correct.

    Many times the "time" spent in college actually takes us away from real life situations and a chance to learn what we really want to learn. I spent 4 years in a liberal arts college. It was eye opening....but not reality. Also, it takes us away from learning in God's good book the bible.

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  14. Amen and Amen!

    I truly enjoy following your blog as it gives me much encouragement on my journey into large family mothering (we are expecting number 8!).

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  15. (happy sigh) I'm so glad you're back. Even if you can't post often, I surely do appreciate your words. Thanks.

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  16. Dear mother of 8 who just left a comment,

    It seems I accidentally blew your comment away--please forgive me! I just wanted you to know you encouraged me, as do all you dear commentors--wish I had time to respond to each one.

    I don't know how to get published--any ideas or experince out there?

    Sherry

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  17. As usual, you are right.

    I suffered 11 years of "normal" school and all I learned I did read at home from the books that were interesting. Actually, the only useful things I remember learning at school and not at home were some parts of mathematics and languages - German and Russian (English I learned on my own, that's why I make mistakes).
    It was not much better at the university, but I was able to squeeze in as many interesting lessons as possible, so only 1/3 of time was wasted. I would not be able to do my current job without the university education, though - but I intend to become a housewife as soon the Lord blesses us with kids!
    The homeschooling families here in Estonia are fighting for their right to homeschool and most people don't accept the idea of homeschooling healthy kids. For some reason nearly everybody thinks that the children must be institutionalized at the age of 2 - isn't it crazy?

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  18. Once again, your words are balm and blessing on this topic, as I have difficulty being sweet and gracious when responding to attacks on the choices God has lead me to. *I* can barely handle my two kids, sure, but I can train them and many more through Him who strengthens me!

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  19. I am saddened that this "Christian" woman is fooled into a very unchristian like worldview. As a mom of three myself who wanted more children running through the house but the Lord saw fit to give me three I think it is wonderful that you have the family you do!
    Blessings,
    Vikki

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  20. Hi Sherry

    With regards to getting published, I have had success with http://www.lulu.com/.

    And thank you for your post; it was a great encouragement to me.

    Keri Mae

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  21. Oh, what a beautiful and gracious response to some of the common questions (criticisms?) folk like us recieve. (I include myself even though I have only 3 children because you would not believe the amount and bizarreness of the comments recieved about having "so many").

    As to education, I know my husband will push for all our children to complete a degree. But we are going to do our best to make that a *part* of their education, not the be all and end all, and we hope to help them finish early and do a good bit of it "on the side" in combination with their last couple of years of highschool. For myself, I avoided college against my parents wishes, lol. I was so done with sitting at a desk and being lectured to. I much prefer self-education. :)

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  22. Brava! I don't know what to comment on first. You're absolutely right about college, about children being influenced, about living out the gospel, about the widespread belief in the fallacy of overpopulation...

    Anyway, what an encouraging post; thank you!

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  23. Amen & AMEN! I'm a 'wannabe mom to many' but it was in the Lord's plan for us to only have 3 on earth - although 1 has gone to heaven before us. I always wanted to have at least 5, but I need constant reminding that w/our sweet 1st daughter ahead of us in heaven, we ALSO have 2 more unborns awaiting our arrival, too. So, even though I've only been blessed w/2 to actually raise, I will still have my 5 - the answer to my prayers - for eternity!

    Blessings from Ohio...

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  24. I would love to have lots of babies and kind of envy families like yours. Admittedly though, sometimes I wonder how women with many children manage. I'm a mother of 5 and I have managed thus far. My babies have come one at a time and our lives have adjusted accordingly. I guess my question is how do women with many children stay healthy and strong with so many pregnanices. I've had 5 and it was pretty hard with the last 2. I tried very hard to eat right and take care of myself but I still felt lousy. I'd love to have another but I just get really scared/overwhelmed thinking about how bad I felt last time & just put it off for yet another month.

    I just figure even if a woman is able to conceive and carry a baby to term, it might not be the best thing for her and her family. What are your thoughts?

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  25. I just stumbled over your blog (suggested to me via my Google Reader). I really enjoyed your thoughtful answers. While I am only the mom of three, I pray someday to have a larger family. I grew up as one of five children & enjoyed it a lot. I am a homeschooling mom as well. I'll be sure to be back to read more. ;-)

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  26. I love your encouraging words. I want to recommend a great book along the same lines as many of your posts, "What Is A Family?" By Edith Schaffer. What an awesome, incredible, humbling career motherhood is!

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  27. I would like to comment, as a young lady who is just recently married and out of college... I truly wish someone had told me about the burden it brings! I am grateful for many of the things I learned there, yes. And I wouldn't be where I am today without that education.

    But, my husband and I are now at least 60k in combinded debt (and rising thanks to interest)and that is not even with the full four years of undergrad loans it usually takes for people.

    Also, now that I want to be a wife and a mother, besides being financially burdened I am knowledgable in many things EXCEPT those practical ones I need for my vocation. I don't know how to sew, cook, organize a home, or any of the basic building blocks of my vocation.

    I have always wanted to be a wife and a mother, but college was expected of me and I was not given many options. I wish I knew I could live a good life with out a college "education"!

    It is a great thing for many people. But for many more it is unnecessary and destructive. College really isn't all that it's cracked up to be.

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  28. This is really good. I also read your second post. Very well thought out answers. Thanks. I too have a larger family and get similar comments.God Bless.

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  29. "It's not just coping, it's FLOURISHING" Love that! It's so like our God, isn't it? He gives so abundantly.

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