I think we may have hit on a hot-button issue here. Often, when I have wanted to become "controversial" the Lord has told me to keep it sweet--but this time I have the go-ahead, and I can tell that my fingers are not my own as I type. This does not mean that everything I am saying is inspired, just that there must be something here, when you filter through the mess in my own brain, that God wants to speak to us.Of course there are folks that I appreciate every day that have been through the "system"--but most of them would agree with my premise. Those that don't just haven't realized how much they have been touched by the whole machine yet.
There was a time in our history (as late as the 50's) when doctors and nurses didn't have to go the university route to become licensed--they could learn by apprenticing and taking a board examination--just like CPA's. There were a lot of fine doctors and nurses that came out of that era (I am related to one). That was when they still had common sense.
But I digress...
...we were discussing the underlying intent of modern education--the godless indoctrination of mankind--and attempting to contrast it with true education.
First of all, learning and educating are very different things. Educating is something done to someone, an impersonal attempt to direct someone else, while learning is personal and starts with volition--I choose to accept and make an idea my own.
Funny, but the Bible does not address "education" in our current definition. God addresses us as individuals and begs us to take in His ideas and direction, but He never gives the impression that the lecturing of a few facts will make any difference whatsoever. The issue is the heart, not the head. As far as having skill, God gives skill to people to know all sorts of things--no university necessary--just as He did for those building the tabernacle in the desert. In Biblical terms, the intellect is a means, not an end.
"Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding." (Proverbs 3:13)
But this is the Hebrew way of thinking--that God is all and in all. Our country, unfortunately, is not full of Hebrews, but of Greeks. Greeks have always elevated the intellect above all things. If your brain can prove it, then it is right. There is no transcendence in Greek understanding; the physical and intellectual are all.
Then there is the pragmatist aspect of our society. If it works, then it is right. It doesn't matter if it entails the slaughter of innocents and the helpless or ignorance of the Holy One who created and holds the rights to the universe, if it works for us (or if it "makes sense"), then it is moral.
And so we come to realize why our educational system, at least from the Judeo-Christian perspective, is cracked from its very foundations.
But our schools have not failed--they are corrupt and bankrupt of learning for the most part, but they are not failed.
Schools in America are wildly successful! This last election proves that what the founding fathers of American public education set out to do has been done--the citizens of the United States of America have finally been convinced that the government is their greatest friend--that they should not be trusted with their own destinies, their own values or their own money; that someone else is more qualified to decide what to do with them all, and it has even been twisted to sound religious. This is the way most tyranny begins--I could site volumes here.
When we were growing up our first set of children, we were not too sure of ourselves. We had inklings that things were not quite right, but we were not convinced enough to be drastic in our decisions. Just homeschooling and having a large family seemed pretty drastic to us at the time, and already we were feeling the sting of being on the periphery of "good sense", even, and sometimes especially, among our Christian friends.
For us, sending our children to college was a way of proving that we were not complete wackos; that even homeschooling children in large families have brains. But we were so wrong. We had nothing to prove to anyone, as long as we were following God. Yes, we were people of good will who had swallowed a lie.
Our older children had been allowed to pursue that which God had placed in them already--we just cooperated. Then we purposely placed them into an environment that was utterly foreign; where they were supposed to subjugate themselves in the name of "higher education" at the hands of a system with the agenda to erase all of what made them persons and use them for the "higher good".
Ironically, our children were better in their field than most of their instructors. It was a common occurrence for our children to be called in after class to help the professors understand the material so that they could teach it!
One of the biggest problems that plagued our children in college was that they took it all too seriously! On their own, if they started a project, they pulled all their resources together and focused on bringing it to perfection--because they had personal interest and pride in what they were accomplishing.
But factory schools aren't meant to be places for this type of dedication. Mediocrity is expected.
Most of us have never even thought to ask ourselves these questions, because we have never known what it would mean to live a truly integral life. I know that I learned early on to give the overseers the very minimum they required and lived a secret life in places they couldn't touch. And our children, as they have taken jobs, have realized that this is part of survival for them--but their personal life is so much larger and better than mine ever will be. Their hearing is much more acute to discern what is pea-brained and what is important.
The next batch of children are starting out small--they are working menial jobs--but we do not see this as a negative. Everyone starts somewhere--and anyone who is duped into thinking that fluffing around for four years will end them in a cushy job somehow is grossly misinformed (I wonder if anyone has studied just how many people are working at low-paying jobs while holding degrees? I'm predicting there would be plenty). Jesus said that those who are faithful in little will be made faithful in much--and this is where we put our trust. Opportunities will arise in their lives as they put their whole heart into what God has for them in the moment. We fully believe that God is the One who promotes--that sheepskins mean little or nothing if they are not gained under His direction.
So simple, yet so profound. Are we truly Christians who trust God implicitly, or do we trust Him and...
Sherry














Very good points - thank you for sharing!! I plan on sharing this with my hubby to get his thoughts as well
ReplyDeleteSherry I admire your strength of character first of all for publishing my comment yesterday about medical professionals and university education. I appreciate your willingness to digest and contemplate other viewpoints. Kudos!
ReplyDeleteI know years back in many professions there was alot more hands on learning and on the job learning ( nursing by no exception was almost ALL that). I have relatives who are from that era too. Great wise people.
The reason why we now require some university education IN CONUJUNCTION with practical hands on training is that we were not taken seriously as educated professionals with an opinion and that opinion was never taken seriously due to a perceived "lack " of higher education. I can only speak for nursing here but we as nurses know our field better thatn anyone. We need to have a voice in our decisions and the allocation of resources for our patients so that we can give them the best care possible. We can't do that without a voice in the decision making. I agree knowledge passed down via hands on learning is priceless.
I agree learing at home from parents and elders is valuable.
The other point I wanted to make is in all their well meaningness, hard work and care the nurses and doctors from past era's cannot argue that the mortality rate was much higher then due to many factors. Higher education in the medical field have allowed that too decrease. I know there is a host of controversy here whether this is good or bad-I am not arguing that nor do I wish too.
Anyways I commend you for listening and taking this on as a subject and respect your views too. I actually agree with alot of them too. I know I could also learn alot from you clearly on the mothering and keeper of the home subject. Your children are fortunate to have such a strong mother who takes such pride in them and their growing up.
I like the term you used about " your calling " in life. Clearly yours is motherhood and mine is nursing. It is a great term.
All the Best to You and Your Family-
Jennifer
Hi Sherry,
ReplyDeleteWe are actually in Maryland, not a super strict state but needless to say I am nervous about the portfolio thing simply because I have to do 5 portfolios this year (and I've never done it before).
Your suggestions are great! I just need to figure out how I can be more creative. I think the hardest will be my 5 & 6 year olds because they are not yet reading and I am not sure how to approach the whole portfolio thing with them.
I get very overwhelmed when I look at the list of things that the school district wants to see in their portfolios...
If you have more suggestions for me, please email me at the account on my profile. I would absolutely LOVE to know more about how you do it!!!
Thanks & blessings!
Heather
I agree very much. My husband and I only attended one year of college before marrying, and in the past 10 years, the Lord has opened doors for my husband that only people older and with degrees were able to get through before. We can only give credit to the Lord for His provision, because we KNOW it was not on account of any "higher learning" my husband had. It is such a blessing to me how He keeps our perspective on Him at all times, instead of allowing us to fall into the trap of self-sufficiency.
ReplyDeleteAlso, while I was not homeschooled, I graduated from a private school and had such high hopes for college. I was naively expecting and excited to finally be around others who were seeking out deeper learning and living... and was beyond disappointed when I arrived. Basically, it was an extension of Highschool, only with more things being "legal" because the students were older. Very few sought out "higher learning" - most just went to class to get by, and focused on their social lives.
Thirdly, my sister is one who did "follow all the rules" - she excelled in High School, spent four years and lots of money at college, where she also excelled, and has been out of college for 3 years now, with no career or even high-income job in sight. She is happy with what she is doing, but it was a very big shock to her to find out the world wasn't just handed over on a silver platter because she jumped through all the "right" hoops.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I apologize mine are so long!
I really agree with you on this. The fact that I would even say that is amazing to me. I was the biggest college snob ever! Getting into a good college was the goal for me as a highschool student. That, I believe, is a big part of the problem. If that's the goal, where are we left once it is realized?
ReplyDeleteLooking back to what I really got out of college, I have come to the same conclusions that you have. I had so many friends that were in a panic at the end of their sophmore year, because they still hadn't decided on a major. After two years and thousands of dollars, lots of partying, and lectures from liberal professors, they still didn't know what they wanted to do. Many of them had also forgotten Whom to seek (if they had ever known). And, at the time that I graduated there were so many of my peers going on to get their masters mainly because they just couldn't find a job in thier field of study and didn't know what else to do.
I have come to see how wasteful this way is, on top of how detrimental the college lifestyle is to the young faith of so many Christian students, and have come to see that a four year (or 5, or 6) bachelor's degree (while living in the dorm, especially) is not all it's cracked up to be!
Thank you so much for boldly sharing this point of view.
Your reaction is normal because you preach for your parish as we say in france!
ReplyDeleteI believe in a good balance.
Jennifer is completely right.
My husband has worked his way up without diplomas and has a good job. But he has found it very hard and was often deppreciated because of his lack of diplomas.It is still a wound for him.And he is sad no one in his family was concerned by the kids studies... (he lost his mother at the age of 7)
One of our sons had high ames. He worked very hard in school and in the summer to pay for his schooling.
He has a very good job and was choosed among 4000 other young man.
He is at Pricewaterhousecooper, and willing to climb the steps. He could never have amed this without diplomas.
I do feel God is blessing us abundatly.
We did not have the ambition or the money for these studies but God provided in different ways, and this child worked ever so hard.
One of my daughters is starting at the bottom of the ladder because she failled her exams. The thing she is finding the most difficult: she earns so little money she can't have a flat of her own.
We bring them up to be independent and this has to go with earning there life properly!
Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this issue. Our oldest son is seventeen and I have been having similar thoughts but thought perhaps I was a little crazy. My husband has a PH.D in physics from a very prestigious university and we both have thought all along that all of our children would need to follow in his footsteps. Your words have truly been a wonderful blessing to me, I'm going to show my husband your post as I know he will be interested also.
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Julie
Once again, I'd love to thank you for your blogs. Although, I am so new to all of this....still being a baby Christian, staying at home, and I only have four kids (I never, ever thought I would say 'I ONLY have four kids'!), my kids are still in public school. For the first time in my life, I'm seriously considering homeschooling them!!! It is all due to your blog! Thanks so much for all of your inspiration, wisdom and huge heart!!
ReplyDeleteSherry,
ReplyDeleteThis year I graduate my oldest child. He has been homeschooled the whole time. He works two days a week doing computer work for a construction company. He has taught himself computer repair, website design, diagnostics and building. His reasoning for not going to college is that by the time colleges are teaching anything computer related it is already outdated. He has been a beta tester (meaning he tested the program before it was made available to the public) for Vista and is trying for the new Windows 7.
Because he is so smart and talented, everyone expects him to go to college. I find myself having to explain regularly why he isn’t going to college even to those that have no trouble with homeschooling. But how can you argue with someone at 16 being paid $20 dollars an hour for computer IT work? And most people will admit that college was a time when many, many students went wild and ruined years of work partying.
Berean Wife
I have been meaning to comment ever since you wrote part 1!
ReplyDeleteI loved your first post so much that I read it out loud to my husband. We are both equally impressed with you and your willingness to speak the truth when no one else seems to want to cross the line of controversy. I am also very impressed with part 2.
We have slowly been developing our specific ideas about how we'd like to school our children. Without a doubt, we've always known that we'd homeschool (as I was homeschooled all but one and a half years), but we only recently discovered the idea of "delight-driven" schooling. We are very committed to this, and I have since discovered that your blog is a huge encouragement to me as I attempt to create an environment that will facilitate that type of schooling.
If there were a study that revealed how many college graduates were actually involved in high-paying jobs that relate to their degrees, my husband would illustrate your point. He has a BA in music and music business, and he is a brilliant musician (I'm not just saying that, really). He has always been successful in playing all instruments, writing music, performing, and leading services. However, after graduating, he has not once been involved in a music or music-business oriented, high-paying job. He worked as a music producer for a time and yet, that was a time in our lives where we survived on the least amount of money. We have plenty of friends in the same situation - they are "qualified" and yet where has their degree taken them? My husband is now working full-time as a real estate appraiser - something he highly dislikes, but we recognize it as God's provision for our family during this season. Regardless, it has nothing to do with his degree.
We do believe my husband is called to music - however, I have a sneaking suspicion that he'd be called to it, and eventually successful in it - regardless of his degree. He even says that the only thing he truly learned in college was how to perfect his art. While this is valuable, perfecting one's art can be done in other places besides college (though not many will choose an alternate route).
Before my comment becomes its own post within a post, let me say one other thing to illustrate your point.
My father does not have a college degree - however, he is the owner of a very successful, sizable real estate appraisal business. My mother does not have a college degree, and although she spent her time at home, raising us and homeschooling us, she still managed to become a very successful songwriter without neglecting her God-given duties within our home.
Again - I loved these posts. I'd love to hear more about your beliefs regarding higher education - especially for young women! Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on this subject!
Hey-love your blog--new to it so still catching up.
ReplyDeleteCan you please tell me who is the artist is on your header? It is a wonderful painting.
Thanks!
Where is your email address located on your blog to ask you questions that I have?
ReplyDeleteI do think college can be an important avenue for some people who have specific goals for what they want out of it, but yeah, most of the whole thing is an expensive propaganda show, especially for liberal-arts majors.
ReplyDeleteWhen your prof is up front frothing at the mouth about the delights of "progressive values," you know you've basically entered an alien religious institution.
Even if you can go for next to nothing, it's so often a waste of TIME!
(Though, really, it can be a convenient place to look for a good husband. LOL. The boys tend not to lap up as much of the overt Marxism as the girls do, somehow.)
Anyway, that's a brilliant point about how public schools are WILDLY SUCCESSFUL-- and every reform makes them more "successful" in their perniciousness than they were in the generation before!
eek!
(anyway, you make me want to have another baby. My poor husband is beginning to think he has married a crazy woman. rofl!
Congrats on #15!
I so agree with you in on a lot of levels here. My oldest daughter is 17 and graduated. She is helping me with homeschooling my middle girls while I work on phonics with my small boys. She is also teaching herself web design, sewing, playing piano and taking voice lessons. Her day is pretty full, but often people ask me what she is doing all day since she's graduated and not going to college!
ReplyDeleteMy oldest son is nearing 15 and he plans to use the College Plus program in preparing for his vocation. One of his friends is nearing completing his degree in aviation technology using this program-at age 16.
We homeschoolers have had to be creative in providing an education for our children in grades k-12, I see no reason why we can't be problem solvers in the higher education realm as well, finding quality alternatives to the over priced, debt producing, and so often morally compromising atmosphere of the typical brick and mortar college institution.
So much in our lives isn't deciding whether a thing be a sin, or good or bad in the ultimate sense, but whether it is best.
This is so true. I am a four-year univeristy graduate, as is my husband. We both believe a university education is over-rated! You spend four years taking classes that are just "fluff" to fill up semester hours and make more $$ for the university. Professors build hopes for all moulah a person can make, when in reality everyone starts out pretty low. I wish I knew the percentage of college graduates who actually find work (and if they do, actulaly enjoy it) in the degree they have earned. How can a person coming right out of high school knowing what they want to do when they have never spent a day of work in that field? If we could do it over again, my husband and I would choose a career/technical college and learn a trade that is more task-specific. It would've saved us money and time. But now I am happiest being at home with my family and hope to never return to the workforce. Was that four years a waste? Hmmm...No Greater Joy had an article in their last edition about earning a college degree at home. It looked like something worth looking into for homeschoolers. There are other options out there!
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