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Monday, November 10, 2008

College or not--part 1?

Below is a picture of two of my pretty young ladies on October 31st--which has nothing to do with this post except that I just think these girls are so wonderful.

Faith with big sister Anna playing dress-up!
I recently received this comment. I thought it important that I respond, but I hope that the dear reader will not think that I am attacking her in any way--I felt this very same way not too long ago--I just found her response very stimulating and thought it would be a good place to jump off into some interesting discourse. Following is her original comment:
"I just read your blog on preparing (or not) your children for college. Wow. I truly believe a good education is a wonderful thing. It is something no one can ever take away from you, whether you choose to stay home or work. I have a college degree and after a few years decided to stay home with my kids until they go to kindergarten."
"But I must say, thinking that a child who wants to be a doctor or scientist only needs a few extra classes is simply not true. They need intense, high-level classes. Trig and Chemistry aren't going to cut it."
"Motherhood is one of the most wonderful gifts I think you can have, if that is what your daughters want, that is fine. But do not sell them short.....a college education is wonderful too."
First of all, I do not believe that a girl who desires to stay home with her children is being "sold short", as if college is the only avenue for a young person to further herself. There is a great misconception here that an enriching life can only be obtained at the hands of a college professor or guidance counselor's direction. Especially in this day and age of information and opportunity everywhere, the only things keeping people from enjoying a host of life experiences are themselves. Even in my small community, the opportunities abound--there is a local nature park that offers numerous liberal-arts types of activities, as well as community offerings of all sorts of arts, etc. A small group of homeschoolers (this meaning mothers at home) started a drama club here that was a great success even in the larger city, and this without any college help or even one person with a degree in drama.

College, on the other hand, is full of waste; waste of time, waste of money, waste of morality, etc. I am not the only one that thinks in this way. One of my children's favorite artists, William Joyce, quite college in order to be successful, but he is by far not the only one.

James Altucher has written these words on the subject in the Financial Times:
"...right at home there's a plethora of opportunities that can far exceed the value of a college education at a 10th of the cost, and lead to greater experience and opportunities in career, wisdom, and life development."
Be sure and read the rest of his article--lots more to glean there.

For my children, who were used to enjoying their education and grew up to consider learning to be something fun and worthwhile, college was boring and meaningless. My son, the one who is highly successful in so many areas that he barely has time to breathe, tells me that, except for a handful of classes, he gleaned absolutely nothing from the hours and money that were spent. The areas of his life in which he enjoys the most success have been degree-less!

It took me 20 thoughtful, focused hours to plow through all of the information in John Taylor Gatto's book The Underground History of American Education, but it was worth it. I bought this tome after reading numerous articles he had written, as well as his book, "Dumbing us Down" and read it while experiencing night after night of insomnia during one of my pregnancies. It took this much time because of all of the references he makes to times and personalities, many of which I was unacquainted with. But it helped me so much. It cleared the fog in my brain and allowed me to rethink through the bilge water accumulated through the propaganda that has been prevalent in our culture throughout decades.

Our school system, the one that was founded in the early 1800's, is not so much concerned with the education of children as the re-education of society. What society is re-educated into has changed over the years, but the whole machine has been set up so that those who think they know can inculcate values and directives into the faceless mass of society from the cradle to the grave.

Our system of post-secondary education is relatively new to the world, and imported into our country from Germany by those same people who sought to influence society through public schooling. The idea was to condition people to accept ideas imposed upon them from outside sources--to convince whole populations that these ideas were their own by allowing them the false assumption that believing these super-imposed ideas made them more enlightened than their unschooled counterparts.

But anyone who takes the time to study true history gains the understanding that very little of great consequence has ever been developed under such systems. Most of the greatest leaps of mankind (and you have to step out of the current box of thinking to realize that most of what we are supposed to think of as great leaps really are just propaganda) have come about through people who did not fit into the mold or accept the status quo.

Of course, you should not take my word for it. There are numerous sources for free on the Internet that would prove beneficial to anyone looking for the truth about education in America. Learn in Freedom is a good place to start.

But we have been examining this whole subject through the back door. When dealing with the education and purpose of man, we need to go to the Source, the Creator and lover of man. What are His designs and purposes for education?

Anyone who has followed the Lord for any period of time knows that our God loves confounding the plans of man, especially when those plans exclude Him. Our educational system is one of the most colossal, godless institutions devised in human history. Just the monies needed to maintain such an institution take up a great chunk of the largest GNP in the world. We are told repeatedly that the solutions to all of our problems will be solved through, not prayer or repentance or the power of the Holy Spirit, but through EDUCATION!
"The state is the order of liberty, and the school is the means whereby citizens are prepared for the good life. The state has become the saving institution, and the function of the school has been to proclaim a new gospel of salvation. Education in this era is a messianic and a utopian movement, a facet of the enlightenment hope of regenerating man in terms of the promises of science and that new social order to be achieved in the state."
R.J. Rushdoony in his book "The Messianic Character of American Education"

I will write more soon.

Sherry

20 comments »:

  1. I find it a bit ironic that right before this post is one on your wonderful doctor. She had to go to college for all this knowledge as did the ultrasound technicians. Some food for thought.

    I enjoy your blog but I couldn't not respond to this post. I am a nurse and spent quite a bit of time in university training to care for others.I don't consider it a waste of time or wasteful.

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  2. Just reading again and I am sure the lactation nurse and the midwife also would need to be well educated at a university level to practice in your state.

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  3. I for one would like you to continue!! I'd also like to hear more about lessons you've learned through raising your children who are now grown. This is something that is almost constantly on my mind. Thank you for sharing!

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  4. I love that you have read Gatto. He reveals much about the history and intent of the educational system that parents should understand before making schooling choices for their children. I am homeschooling as well, and one of my goals is to free them and equip them to pursue their interests. As they get older, it may lead to college, it may not. I loved college. I have a Bachelor's Degree in music theory and composition. I teach music lessons from my home. I formed many relationships with fellow students and faculty, and I met and married my DH there. But I am also five digits in student loan debt. So, every one should deliberate the pros and cons, and make an informed decision. College does not guarantee a well-paying job anymore, gone are those days.

    On another note, congratulations on your pregnancy. How exciting! I enjoy your blog, thank you for your perspective on life!

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  5. Thank you for this post! It has come to me at the perfect time.

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  6. Thank you for your post! Very well stated...I have learned more being a stay-at-home mom (without a television) then I felt like I ever learned in college...:-)And I have school loans too...:-(

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  7. Excellent post. I will attest to the fact that college is full of waste. I was there...graduated with honors...so much was just "busy work" and having fun.

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  8. I have only recently found your blog and I am enjoying reading back through it! I'm a homeschooling mom to 4 blessings(ages 7, 4, almost 3, and 1) with one blessing on the way and 2 waiting in heaven for the resurrection. My husband and I have been married for 8 years and it is so refreshing to find a blog where our choice to take all the children the Lord gives us as they come is celebrated!

    I read the post on college and would love hearing more. We, too, feel that the highest "career" for a woman is motherhood. It is ceratinly not selling our daughters short to hold that up as the highest ideal! It is what we were created for. Education and learning is important only insomuch as it points us to the One who has all knowledge. Having a college degree will not gurantee a well paying job to meet our family's needs. Only our Father in Heaven can meet our family's needs as He is the one who knows what those need really are.

    Thank you for a great blog to read!

    Tristan
    www.ourbusyhomeschool.blogspot.com

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  9. Well said! Thank you for bringing these arguments to view.

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  10. Thank you for writing this post!

    My husband and I are converts to Christianity so much of our social circle is very secular, and we have gotten more than a few comments from people who think that we need to stop having children (or at least space them much farther apart) because of concerns about whether or not we'll be able to give them a full ride to college. So sad! I won't hog your combox to go off on my little soapbox about it, but I wrote here a while back about my observation that our society has an unhealthy obsession with our children seeming "smart" (even if the actual quality of their education is questionable).

    We don't think that it's absolutely essential for every one of our kids to go to college, depending on what they feel their calling is in life (people are usually surprised to hear that since my husband has degrees from Yale, Columbia and Stanford). I appreciate you writing this post, as it gives me a lot of food for thought.

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  11. I would just like to comment to anon. at the beginning. Yes, these people all needed to attend college for these jobs. They needed to because our society has deemed it necessary. That is the only reason. If not for that societal qualification, there could be wonderful doctors, nurses, etc. who learned their trades elsewhere, not through college. Only society says college is necessary, but college does not mean someone is better educated.

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  12. I have so much to learn before our children reach and age where such decisions are necessary. However, my own two cents from my personal experience is that I'm five years into a 15 year student loan repayment for an education I basically taught myself. I'm a CPA and learned most of my accounting skills from reading a textbook or from helping in my dad's business. Looking back, I wish I had been more helpful in my dad's business. I would have learned almost as much (and could have taught myself what I needed to), helped my father's business prosper, and saved myself so much money. I will still be paying for my student loans 10 years after I am no longer in the field of accounting because I'm pursuing the career God has called me too...my husband's helpmeet and my children's mother. We, too, hope to teach our daughters the fine skills of being a wife/mother/homemaker and to save them from the costly "education" I received, but would have been better off without. Nonetheless, we serve a faithful God who has used my poor, uniformed choices, to bring good to me and my family.

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  13. Ultrasound technicians do not need a college education. Midwives do not need a college education to practice in many states.

    I am a homechooling mother of 9, and one is currently attending college, but I certainly don't feel that college is necessary.

    In fact, I would not want my children attending most colleges--the filth that is taught there that passes as "education" and the moral debauchery and "sexual education" that are taught in most colleges today would make even "laid back" parents take pause.

    The qualifications for graduation from college have been so dumbed down and demeaned as to give college education very little credence to the thinking individual.

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  14. Wonderful post...thanks for sharing your thoughts which so closely mirror my own. My husband is a graduate of a very prestigious college, and it is especially hard to think about helping our children pursue other options due to this fact. "What?!? You don't want the kids to go to Academic Institution XYZ?! You want them to pursue a TRADE?"etc. Haven't actually heard this from anyone yet, but the children are reaching their mid-teens now, so I know it is coming!

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  16. If you need a college education for your field, no one says that you have to go to a state school. There are at least a few Christian colleges (and not in name only.) I hear a lot of people concerned about their kids losing their faith in college, but never would consider sending their kids to a Christian university.

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  17. Regarding the initial comment that generated this post, I have to agree with the poster.

    As with many admirable goals in life, a career - be it in the home or earning wages - requires adequate preparation. For many jobs this may be academically rigorous coursework. For the homemaker, I truly believe that learning by example is best.

    As you clearly point out, the value of a career as a homemaker cannot be underestimated. Likewise, one cannot underestimate any life path that allows our children to make full use of God's gifts. In avoiding the trap of 'selling our children short' we must equip them with the skills and knowledge to walk a multitude of paths. Remember, although we must live in the world, we are not of it.

    Keep up the good work! Even when I disagree, it is always a pleasure to learn your reasons.

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  18. I truly love your opinion on education. I agree with others that education (not necessarily university education!) is a wonderful thing, but even moreso I feel that it has become just a product, like all of the other gadgets in our society.

    I am a mother, and a back-and-forth undergraduate student. At times I love college, but when I consider the money and the effort required to prove myself for that "A," I could spent much LESS money and get much much more with the same effort applied in my own time.

    Why do I keep going back to college? I am caught in this trap. I am caught in this fear that if I don't, I won't succeed and if I do then I will succeed. That's complete nonsense, of course. This is how I've been trained, though. This is what public school trained me to believe for 18 years! No wonder people won't give it up. Our society is investing so much time and energy into this believe in structured "education." Children are FORCED to learn, and the doubts they have about the system are belittled until they have no more will to change it. The children who "fail" in this system are stigmatized as if they are at fault.
    It takes much faith to "succeed" when the whole secular reality that you've been raised with proves false. The only "failure" I believe is the loss of that faith.

    Yet we emphasize their "failure" in this system to remind the others how important it is to stick with it.

    I know my worth with the help of God, and I know what I can accomplish through him, and a sheet of paper at the end of the day isn't really going to make that much difference.

    What will make a difference is if I put college before my family, and give into constructed ideas of "success" without enjoying all of the wonderful blessings I already have.

    Thank you so much for sharing.

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  19. May I just say a hearty "AMEN!" & "Praise the Lord!"
    A startling statistic... 70-85 % of all Christian kids that grow up in Christian homes leave the faith by the time they are a sophmore in college. Lots of reasons why I'm sure, but our anti-Christian schools & universities plus the lack of solid training in most homes have much to do with that terrifying stat. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord, not the American Idol, education. I would rather have "the dumbest kid on the block" (I don't :) but loves the Lord, than a kid with a 4.0 who's going to hell.
    Thank you for reaffirming this conviction!

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  20. Hello, I am Jane from New Zealand.

    I am loving your blog, by the way. I want to comment on this post because I have spent 6 years at university learning to be a doctor and would like to share some positives of my university experience. (I have been married 3 years and am pregnant with our first child, planning to stay home as a full-time mother at the moment.)

    I became a Christian at uni, so am disposed towards it I suppose. I think your view of education is very interesting. I wonder if university is so necessary because people aren't taught to work hard at learning for themselves in public school - the structure and accountability, with discrete goals such as assignments and exams help people motivate themselves to learn what they know they have to.

    But medical education is unique. I benefited from remarkable mentor-like behaviour from our trainers, as well as heaps of modelling of patient-doctor relationships and practical ethics (some of which I needed to modify with my more Bible-educated mind). One department head scheduling several hours a week to meet up with me to help me overcome a anxiety-related "freezing" during practical exams which could have translated into hesitancy in crucial situations in the hospital. The flaw was ironed out. In my medical training I encountered this and many other challenges I never would have in my sheltered life, faced death and suffering, and God used these opportunities to work in me powerfully, making theology practical in my life.

    I loved learning about the human body, God's incredible creation, in exquisite detail. There was one student in a class above me who became a believer while studying the liver, because he was so convinced there must be a Creator God!

    So, even if the university is a strange thing with bad culture attached to it, I think some very rewarding opportunities and helpful learning experiences can be had - I think for me it accelerated and condensed so much learning into just a few years!

    Sorry for the long and personal comment. I've enjoyed so much getting an insight into you and your family, it seems strange not to reciprocate to some extent.

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